First of all, I'm not looking for anyone to change their stance. You do what you want with the bloodlines and there's nothing I can do about it. And neither do I want to. Second, I find the bloodline concept correct in itself, it's just the way White Wolf has used the concept that I find irksome. They could have published an how-to book, similar to Ghoul and left it at that. But they had to go the way of the Thaumathurgy Ritual: include a few in every book and dedicate whole books as some sort of dial-a-bloodline book. And I would like you to point me where, exactly, you have concluded that I "only dislike them because everyone else happens to like them." because it baffles my mind how I could have lead you to believe that. I have played Dungeons and Dragons (the third edition) since it came out and frequent their forums. They have a concept called prestige classes that is EXACTLY the same as bloodline. They, like you, say "it's optionnal", "it brings plot hooks" and "you can do what you want with them". And guess what: they are overused, there is at least 300 prestige classes out there. I pray that bloodlines will not do the same but excuse my cynicism when I say that I've heard your arguments before and I find them wanting. On their forums, you'll find nobody plays standard classes anymore in D&D and I find it hard to believe that players don't hassle their ST to play bloodlines. You can like them, you can use them, you can find them a great marketing tool and find my description of it being "gimmicky" to be full of horses**t, but I will continue to dislike thoroughly the way the concept of bloodlines is being used and I will continue to let my opinion (disliking them) be heard. If they are so optionnal, would WW be a dear and leave the concept behing for a full year? Let's have 12 whole months with no mention of new bloodlines in any book. That would impress me. Especially when I see on the backcover of any given book: - New rituals - A brand new bloodline as selling points. Pardon me to see this as a gimmick. I'm sure the writers who toiled on them hate to see their work criticized (as evidently seen right here with two freelancers taking objection to my opinion) and I find this perfectly understandable. But it is still a selling gimmick to try and have Joe Roleplayers pick up a book because it has a new shiny toy in it to play with. A book don't need to have a bloodline in it to sell it. In fact, they are usually not very thematically appropriate for a given book. The bloodlines books being the exception, evidently.